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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with a Sunday edition of UFO

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news network Sunday now we got a

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fascinating show there's been some news

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in the last week or so and there's some

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more events coming up next weekend and

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we want to get right down to it we've

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got a couple fabulous guests today first

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off a Steve Bassett head of the paradigm

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research group and Michael W Hall the

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paranormal lawyer gentlemen thanks for

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coming on and let's get right to it

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shall we

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all right Frank Brady can do it right

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yeah I appreciate it appreciate it and

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last week some fascinating news hit the

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hit the air

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michio kaku appearing at a Barcelona UFO

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conference sat down with Hyman lisanna

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often controversial in this field but

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Mossad got the goods on the record he's

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got Kaku himself making the following

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statement and let's let's listen to it

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now so you can hear the string theorist

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himself in his own words explain where

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he thinks the UFO situation is now it's

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quite compelling so let's give a quick

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now the tightest time because

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traditionally scientists would giggle

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and laugh talking about flying saucers

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the burden of proof was on the believers

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prove it give me the evidence show me

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now the burden of proof has shifted to

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the government and the military now they

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have to prove that these sightings are

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not from outer space and another

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civilization several things have

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happened first we have video tapes video

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tapes taken by United States Navy pilots

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that are testable we can now see and

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calculate how fast rain moving how fast

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they can zigzag what is the altitude we

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know the parameters of these objects now

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we didn't have that before and so this

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means that the burden of proof has

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shifted of the military now these and

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that is pretty compelling stuff Kaku is

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now saying that the government the

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military has to prove that they're not

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from another planet and Steve Bassett I

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know one of the recent times you were on

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you told me that you were preparing a

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petition for scientists to sign off on

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this is I got to be a little bit more

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hello

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here I don't hear Steven and by the way

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I'm on my end I couldn't hear me to you

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a statement either you won't be able to

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hear that unfortunately the way the

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sound is set up but yeah my it seems

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like Steve might be having some issues

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you're still coming in loud and clear

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Michael so that might be on your Eve's

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end I'm not a hundred percent sure but

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you saw this over the course of the week

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and you have to be as thrilled as I am

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that scientist who's a serious guy

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developed Stringfield theory he's not a

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scientific lightweight who just writes

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books and yeah he has a science to read

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no he's the real deal in terms of

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science you had to be thrilled to death

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that Kaku came out with the statement oh

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yeah I mean this is talk talk about

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Steve's paradigm shift this is exactly

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what's happening right here in front of

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our very eyes just before the major

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events that are coming up this next

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weekend at area 51 Mitch yukako comes

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out and actually makes that bold

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statement that hey this is a this is a

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conclusion that nicotine it needs to be

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refuted by the government rather than

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the other way around that's fantastic

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thought of doing it and chant who's not

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with us today due to some issues

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surrounding her home but she was able to

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talk to a few people we got this

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feedback from Michael Paul masters the

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anthropologist who's written a book

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recently about UFOs I haven't read the

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Kaku thing beyond what you sent me above

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but I love that he said the burden of

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proof is shifted that gets us back off

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our back foot playing defense all the

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time and puts the onus on them a bit

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more I did see an interview with him

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recently though in which he said that

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time travel should be possible for any

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advanced civilization what was which was

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awesome because some tool at the MUFON

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conference in July kept trying to troll

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me by saying the time travel will never

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be possible because Michio Kaku says

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it's impossible

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going to have to find a new messiah to

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you know Steve excuse me Michael of

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course with the time travel yeah kaku's

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travel was impossible in fact I first

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became aware of him I went and he

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published the book hyperspace so that

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was a good 20 years ago now and he was

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talking about all those subjects as

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being quite possible so there's that you

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somebody comes up with the point which

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should give you an idea of how regarded

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Kaku is if Kaku says it's not possible

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even though God even though the guy was

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wrong about this then it's not possible

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so the guy is well respected by people

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who are familiar with them and I think

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that's a good thing there Michael

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yeah no it's uh it's just like an

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amazing opportunity now that you know

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we're finally getting the science on our

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side obviously we've had you know

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testimony we've had you know even the

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the government and you know it's by the

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way of the Navy and the Air Force you

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know pilots coming out and talking about

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it and of course mainstream media now is

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jumping onboard but it's a guy at the

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stature of Michio Kaku coming out and

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making these kinds of statements almost

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challenging the wee government debunkers

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even to come forth is a major paradigm

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shift and makes a big step forward I

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think to Stephens whole idea of open

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government hearings I mean we need to

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have congressional hearings that mean

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something not that Steven's efforts have

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have been for naught over the decades

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because he has gotten this to that point

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happen at this at this time and another

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statement from Earl Grey who's the an

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investigator for MUFON out in California

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michio kaku is one of our most

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celebrated theoretical physicists and

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popularizers of science stepping

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when michio states that ufos deserve to

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be studied seriously and that there's

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something to the phenomenon people

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should stop and take note Kaku states

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weather balloons even the planet Venus

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can't explain these live-action

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high-precision shots maybe they are

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evidence of an advanced outerspace

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civilization again going back to or else

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highly respected scientist to the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis as the

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origin of strange anomalous aerial

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sightings if Carl Sagan has said this it

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quite a boon for the modern now ufology

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about the about the radar evidence and

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particularly the the video evidence that

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was captured from those two incidents

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the Nimitz case and then later on more

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jumping in here I agree with dr. Kaku

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the burden of proof is shifted however I

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am hesitant to say they will do it if it

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gets too too problematic for them I

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could see them pulling the plug at any

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time I am hopeful that disclosure

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continues to the degree scientists

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societal leaders will take an act of

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interest and move the ball forward this

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is a global issue and we need everyone

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to engage so what do you think about

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that there Michael oh I think it's uh

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it's just a and you know I really

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this is almost like a gauntlet being

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thrown down by dr. Kaku you know the

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whole idea that a guy in his stature

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in history and kind of leave the charge

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into the idea that everything is now

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flipped I mean there are so many people

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clients national UFO Reporting Center

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and Peter Davenport he says that his

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sighting reports are going through the

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roof right now really almost oh yeah

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yeah he says it for some reason the

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quality and quantity of the reports of

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alien entities he says is just

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astronomical at this point so I think

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what they're finding is that they're

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needing to or at least dr. Kaku is

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telling the government they need to get

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ahead of this if they're going to stay

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in touch with what's really happening

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out there so that is a fascinating time

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for all of us

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ufologists you know like yourself Frank

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to be involved here now and and

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hopefully be able to bring the rest of

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the public along with us on this new

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paradigm shift okay and there's Steve

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Bassett do we have a better connection

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now it seems to be better Frank let me

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comment on Kaku this just significant on

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a number of levels but let me unpack a

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little bit for you them

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Michio maybe statements twice one was an

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interview to Haim a saw on was saw on

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the show in New Mexico which goes out to

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a lot of people and the other was a the

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ufology world conference in Barcelona

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last weekend so this is not just a

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one-off he did it twice secondly when

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you look at his statement it's

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remarkable what he's saying so many

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words is that we're past the point where

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we need to convince the government's et

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the et reality the et phenomena is real

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and we're now where a government needs

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to prove to us it's not real

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now that's interesting because as

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Mitchell Kaku knows and all of his

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colleagues know you cannot prove a

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negative so what he's literally done is

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saying well the government now needs to

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prove a negative which is not cool

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it's geological so what the hell is

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going on here well here's what's going

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on michio kaku like so many others and

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include Dyson Ennis and others possibly

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long time there's an extraterrestrial

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present and they have chosen to go along

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with the truth embargo for patriotic

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reasons or personal pragmatic reasons

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whatever and serviced sit and not push

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it'll all take care of it it's the

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government's job they'll do it when they

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feel it's right and so what but what's

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disclosure the pressure is building and

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building these people sense at the end

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of the this race the finish line is

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consider their entire statements about

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this issue going back decades and

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realizing they're about to be shown to

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be on the wrong side of this issue which

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is not a good look for a scientist and

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so you're going to see a lot of people

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trying to position themselves to say

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some things that will mitigate the

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public relations problem they're going

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to face and Kaku who has done that here

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but he had a problem what he should have

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said is that we're long past the point

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where we need to prove that this

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phenomena is real and extraterrestrial

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and we are at the point when the

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government needs to acknowledge that it

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is X to trust that of course would be

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disclosure but he can't say that so he

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split it down the middle he basically

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said I can't do that but let me just say

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it's time for the government to prove

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they're not real even though I know

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every scientist but those make is going

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to say Michio what are you doing you're

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asking the government to prove a

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negative it can't be done

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I didn't have it the less he thought

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that was the wise choice and so that

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gives you a sense of what's happening

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and you're going to see more of this

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there's an awful lot of people up there

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they're going to have egg on their face

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because after disclosure everyone is

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going to figure out pretty quickly they

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always knew they knew ten years ago

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twenty years of both thirty years ago

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but they didn't feel that we had a right

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to know and they felt it was more

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important for them to serve the

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government's truth embargo and maybe

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protect their careers than to be truth

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tellers and I I applaud me to chill for

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making this move I hope others will do

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the same I know he

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can't go all the way but he has always

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been on our side by and large and he had

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been a good guy yeah he has been he was

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out helping to promote Leslie Keens book

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right after that was released I thought

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that was rather surprising and I have

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heard and I don't know if you've heard

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or not but privately if you approached

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dr. michio kaku and asked him about ufos

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he'll say rather off the record of

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course he'll say rather unambiguously

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that yeah we've been visited for a long

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time that at least privately he accepted

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and I got this from a source that that I

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like quite a bit and it's a you know a

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direct conversation

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this individual imparted to me this is a

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guy who's not meant for this I'm not

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hearing it can you hear me see the

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connections going bad again as awful

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yeah yeah you're breaking up yeah okay

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well yeah let me yeah let me finish up

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with my little Kaku anecdote I I have uh

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spoken to an individual's not who's a

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UFO buff but he's not really a UFO

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researcher per se you know and he's

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known in his field let's put it this way

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he's got his own Wikipedia page so he's

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a serious guy in his field which is not

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UFOs but he imparted to me an anecdote

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where he saw Kaku approached him and was

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actually asked Kaku about UFOs and Kaku

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said rather unambiguously privately off

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the record of course but he said rather

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any ambiguously is that yeah we've been

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visited for a long time so let me yeah

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Michael let me get some of your thoughts

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here well I try to switch our connection

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with Steve ever if you don't mind doing

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that for me

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oh yeah no problem by the way this is uh

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this is what happens when you have Steve

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Bassett on a program you know a media

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very popular and there's a whole lot of

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people out there that are tuning in to

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this new news about dr. Kaku coming

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forth and making his bold statements

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that the government needs now to step

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forward and prove that these things are

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not extraterrestrial so it's quite a

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shift in

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the paradigm as Steve would mention it

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and a big [\h__\h] in that truth embargo

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the whole idea that mainstream science

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now is coming forth and making those

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statements to another very serene radio

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please leave a message you can also

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email me at paradigm research group org

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that's sounding better it sounds like

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you're getting a better please record

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your message one more option live

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podcasting right you've got 15 hours or

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20 hours of this sort of thing coming up

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next week then Michael I think yeah

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that's right this is a good practice for

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me that's for sure so uh but you know I

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I am wondering whether dr. Kaku is is

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using this bold statement that he has

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just made for a trial balloon to see how

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the reaction to the American public will

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be because it is groundbreaking what

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he's done and no one has done it before

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him in his scientific field so I'm

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wondering whether when Steve Bassett is

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mentioning this is just the beginning of

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these kinds of announcements so that the

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scientists aren't caught with their

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pants down when the actual disclosure

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happens I'm wondering if this is the

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trial balloon of you know to see how

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things go along with the public and I'm

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I'm assuming it's going to go very well

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and they're gonna realize that hey that

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people can handle this so they are they

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are probably going to be a little

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surprised about how the the fallout from

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this statement will be mostly positive I

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believe let alone the fact that it's

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just on the the cusp of the major UFO

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event that went viral on Facebook and

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the internet about area 51 I mean this

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is the timing could not have been better

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for the whole idea that young people on

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the planet and baby boomers and everyone

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else are kind of inner

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in this subject and have shown that in

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their voting power when it comes to how

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many people are interested in this

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storming area51 event although everyone

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should be discouraged to actually going

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to in storming area 51 but there are

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some very peaceful and wonderful

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informative events happening in Rachel

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and heiko Nevada as well so if you're if

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you're planning on going there I can

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give you a little bit of hint on how to

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prepare for this desert community that

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you're going to run into well it's not

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even let's not call it a community

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because there's only about 54 or 100 or

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so people that live in that neck of the

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woods you've got to be prepared for your

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own food your own water and

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transportation and gas because that's an

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important issue if indeed anyone is

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attempting to do that there are no gas

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stations at your destination at Rachel

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Nevada so if you don't fill up fire to

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that you're going to be in trouble

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god yeah we will get to all that after

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we wrap up with dr. Kaku statement Steve

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are you back with us and that can you

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hear as well you were reached the

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maximum time permitted for recording

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sausage hahaha if you're satisfied with

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the message press whining machine yeah

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yeah well you know the good news is that

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it's coming across very clear so it

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sounds like maybe the bandwidth is

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reduced at this point and you might be

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able to get them back but Dallas what's

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let me yeah this is why did you always

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do a live show with a co-host yeah yeah

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okay

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you've reached paradigm research group

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and ours now he's not on it all the

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technical aspects at the same time about

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keeping the show going so yep well it's

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definitely okay so yeah we've got a

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number of quotes from different people

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that that we want to go through about

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this statement a deep Prasad that gave

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us this feedback dr. michio kaku is open

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the door even wider for the mainstream

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scientific community to look at UFOs

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seriously he demonstrates the mark of a

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visionary scientist by simply being

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honest and rational about current events

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no matter the implications to one's

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worldview I am hoping more scientists

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put pressure on the government to

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explain what exactly is going on

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regarding extremely advanced UFOs

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operating in our airspace without

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permission

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dr. Irina Scott the problem with UFOs

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from the beginning has been the lack of

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repeatable controlled data that can be

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used in scientific methodology today the

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UFO subject is gaining in respectability

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because the data can be collected and

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the methodological manner needed for

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scientific studies as dr. michio kaku

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explained the burden of proof has made

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major shifts for one thing we now have

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reliable video tapes that could be taken

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by pilots under testable improvable

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conditions now this proof exists for the

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previous descriptions of impossible

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activities these give real-time

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information about their speed altitude

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ability to make 90-degree turns and

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similar characteristics and show the

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reality of observations that previously

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were considered only anecdotal and

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finally let me yeah Professor Kevin

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Knuth from SUNY Albany

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I appreciate that he recognizes that we

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are now in possession of useful data on

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UFO

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you ApS and when he mentioned that we

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can now estimate altitudes and speeds I

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thought he might be interested to know

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about my paper estimating flight

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characteristics of anomalous

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unidentified aerial vehicles which is

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currently in revision after having gone

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through one round of peer review with

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two very supportive peer reviews so they

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are red there's a professor Knuth going

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ahead and putting together a peer review

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paper on this material and finally yeah

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let me get through the the last of our

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comments that chant was either able to

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gather throughout the week while he

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points the finger towards the government

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or military for proofs he could at least

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contribute as well I get tired of

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scientists who failed to study this

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themselves and pass the buck to others

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scu studies this and is not connected to

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the government or military in short get

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off your butt Kaku and that's from rich

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Hoffman way to go rich I like that quote

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I appreciate rich is a feedback there a

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little bit interesting okay or problem

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I do finally get Steve it'll be worth

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try this

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Wow

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Steve you there alright so let's see

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what what did I do you know what I did I

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called you separately let that let me

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let me wrap out of this for whatever

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reason into his level I'm very careful

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but the fact that he has now become

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emboldened to be able to make the

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statements that he is making regarding

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the reality of UFOs and the fact that

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they are extraterrestrial goes to show

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you the the paradigm shift seems to be

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creeping into the mainstream science

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even at a level that is astonishing so

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that's that's very encouraging I think

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for any you follow gist or research

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throughout there that has been into this

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field for decades kind of working

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against a brick wall it seems the brick

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wall now is crumbling a bit and there

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are openings that are coming available

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to all of us if indeed hu Kaku is

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00:26:39,459 --> 00:26:35,779
leading the charge now to ask the

548
00:26:47,259 --> 00:26:39,469
government to you know step up not be a

549
00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:47,269
problem okay Steve you there ah yes I am

550
00:26:52,719 --> 00:26:50,719
here ok ok yeah what what's happened was

551
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,729
for whatever reason I can't log you into

552
00:26:56,889 --> 00:26:55,039
the group call so what I will do is I

553
00:27:00,339 --> 00:26:56,899
will disconnect from Michael you stay on

554
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:00,349
the line and I will add Michael to this

555
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:06,000
okay okay sorry about all this okay hang

556
00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:06,960
on a second

557
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:09,460
yeah technology we're using advanced

558
00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:11,050
technology we take it for granted but

559
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:13,150
it's not simple okay Michael I've got

560
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:15,700
Steve on the other line so let me for

561
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:17,350
whatever reason I'm not able to patch

562
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:18,820
you two together so let me disconnect

563
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:22,590
this call and I will call you back uh

564
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:25,150
within the group call with Michael I'm

565
00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:28,710
awful sorry about this okay okay

566
00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:30,220
whatever yes

567
00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:34,060
yeah sorry about that okay and this call

568
00:28:13,019 --> 00:27:37,000
here yeah go ahead and hang up Michael

569
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:35,419
sorry about all this folks

570
00:28:39,389 --> 00:28:38,190
let's do it this way okay you're still

571
00:28:42,029 --> 00:28:39,399
hanging in there right Steve

572
00:28:44,249 --> 00:28:42,039
I certainly am and I thought that a

573
00:29:10,460 --> 00:28:44,259
great question by the phone great okay

574
00:29:13,259 --> 00:29:10,470
fantastic this okay Mike are you there

575
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:13,269
hey I'm back Frank okay you're back and

576
00:29:17,879 --> 00:29:16,330
that seems like I'm not able to do two

577
00:29:19,289 --> 00:29:17,889
different numbers on this group cause

578
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,299
seems to me we've done this before but

579
00:29:24,090 --> 00:29:21,600
it's not working properly

580
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:24,100
hmm how are we gonna continue on with

581
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:34,830
hello

582
00:29:50,510 --> 00:30:09,710
[Music]

583
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,470
hello you reached Michael W hall if

584
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:14,220
you'd like to leave a message just wait

585
00:30:19,879 --> 00:30:17,129
for the beep it's not going to work at

586
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:19,889
the tone please record your message when

587
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:21,539
you have finished recording you may hang

588
00:30:29,299 --> 00:30:26,460
up or press one for more options let's

589
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:29,309
do this a different way shall we hang on

590
00:30:41,629 --> 00:30:39,450
a sec if you are satisfied with your

591
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:41,639
message press one to listen to your

592
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:44,070
message press two to erase and rerecord

593
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:46,620
press three to continue recording where

594
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:54,000
you left off press four are you still

595
00:30:57,710 --> 00:30:55,500
there if you are satisfied with your

596
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,720
message press one to listen to your

597
00:31:02,659 --> 00:31:00,120
message press two to erase and rerecord

598
00:31:10,009 --> 00:31:02,669
press three to continue recording where

599
00:31:11,539 --> 00:31:10,019
you left off press four are you still

600
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,549
there if you are satisfied with your

601
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:13,740
message press 1 to listen to your

602
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,169
message press 2 to erase and rerecord

603
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:18,720
press three to continue recording where

604
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:26,070
you left off press four sorry you're

605
00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:27,690
having trouble your message has been

606
00:32:03,950 --> 00:31:58,350
sent goodbye Michael are you back ok now

607
00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:03,960
let me go to Steven let's hope we've got

608
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:14,030
calling him now all right okay two of

609
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:16,470
three on the call he's not picking up of

610
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:19,380
the and there he is Stephen are you okay

611
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:20,220
I am yeah

612
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,380
all right fantastic a lot of technical

613
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:24,000
difficulties with the phone connections

614
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:26,340
today sorry about all that so let's see

615
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:29,520
where were we I actually Stephen you

616
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,710
would talk to because you kind of

617
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,140
dropped off early in the show you had

618
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:36,240
talked one of the more recent times you

619
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:38,450
were on about putting together a

620
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:40,980
petition for scientists to sign off on

621
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:44,580
regarding UFOs and does this kind of

622
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:46,860
move past that it's been quite a while

623
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:51,630
since I was involved in a petition let

624
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:54,750
me put it this way and I've said this

625
00:32:59,150 --> 00:32:56,010
many times before and I'll say it again

626
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:59,160
as we approach the last month of the

627
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:02,580
truth embargo the 70-year thing that's

628
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,510
been going on there are going to be so

629
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:08,880
many people coming forward so many new

630
00:33:12,919 --> 00:33:10,410
statements from people it will surprise

631
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:12,929
us documents being released

632
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:18,030
ah news stories that it'll be like

633
00:33:25,659 --> 00:33:22,470
counting boulders in an avalanche so

634
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:25,669
just expect that okay

635
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,210
because disclosure is a door to another

636
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:32,850
world a new world the post disclosure

637
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:35,610
world and there's an awful lot of people

638
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:39,480
that know about this understand this

639
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:42,299
that have known about it and have stayed

640
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:44,850
laid-back and there's many that have

641
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:47,580
engaged it and as that door starts to

642
00:33:50,539 --> 00:33:48,990
open in the last months of the truth

643
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:50,549
embargo everybody's going to try to go

644
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:52,950
through that door at the same time it's

645
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:54,059
going to get a little crowded but

646
00:33:57,980 --> 00:33:55,410
nevertheless that's what's going to

647
00:34:02,380 --> 00:33:57,990
happen Mitchell is just one example

648
00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:02,390
there are others for instance right now

649
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:06,390
there and for the last year meetings

650
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:07,890
have been being taking place on Capitol

651
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,330
Hill Oh between members of Congress

652
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:15,419
House and Senate and members of the to

653
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:18,210
the stars Academy plus some of the pilot

654
00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:20,810
witnesses these are

655
00:34:25,419 --> 00:34:23,300
these have been sort of acknowledged

656
00:34:26,890 --> 00:34:25,429
there's been some statement to kind of

657
00:34:29,770 --> 00:34:26,900
indicate that's what's going on mostly

658
00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:29,780
from Tom DeLonge but the who and the one

659
00:34:34,899 --> 00:34:32,870
has not been discussed however not

660
00:34:38,590 --> 00:34:34,909
surprisingly in some cases it's gotten

661
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:38,600
out that a member has been briefed now

662
00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:40,990
the four that I know of for sure are

663
00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:43,750
Senator Mark Warner who is a big-shot

664
00:34:48,940 --> 00:34:45,980
he's making us think about what it's

665
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:48,950
getting to yeah

666
00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:52,610
and then you've got jeanne shaheen she's

667
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:53,960
indicated she was briefed

668
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:57,530
you've got ami bera and then you've got

669
00:34:59,920 --> 00:34:58,280
mark Walker

670
00:35:05,740 --> 00:34:59,930
now all four these are Democrats and

671
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:05,750
soon enough and Mark Walker was

672
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:07,850
impressed enough by his meeting with the

673
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:11,000
pilots and whoever else was there quick

674
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:12,980
bananas and odel I don't know but you

675
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:14,440
met with the pilots for sure appreciate

676
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:18,460
then he he sent a letter to the Pentagon

677
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:21,050
and others he did what Stephen shift did

678
00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:24,530
many many years ago talk in 1994 he said

679
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:26,540
a little bit of Pentagon saying what why

680
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:27,980
aren't you responding to this more why

681
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,330
isn't there more it's coming from you

682
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:31,760
and then he reiterated that in an

683
00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:34,130
interview that he gave us recently

684
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:38,540
that's non-trivial and how many other

685
00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:40,190
members have been talked to we don't

686
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,920
know I also have been informed that the

687
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:45,200
pilots did in fact briefed the president

688
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:48,530
which is a very notable burn accounts

689
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:50,060
for the fact that the president made

690
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,130
some statements referring to the pilots

691
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:54,320
because he was tossed a couple of

692
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,750
questions on the 80 issue most of which

693
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,880
he deflected but in the case in one case

694
00:36:02,350 --> 00:36:00,800
he mentioned the pilots which seems to

695
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:02,360
confirm to me that this briefing took

696
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:03,710
place now where that's going to go I

697
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,710
have no idea but let me assure you that

698
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,760
we're in a very different place now and

699
00:36:17,710 --> 00:36:13,040
this is going to heat up very quickly

700
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:17,720
and that's why I relocated back this

701
00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:19,460
happened but I'm back in DC right now

702
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,140
I've got a small place in Alexandria and

703
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:25,520
I'm about to move into the national

704
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:28,190
press building on 14th Street in

705
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:30,230
Washington which is a very well known

706
00:36:34,330 --> 00:36:32,420
building that's two blocks from the

707
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:34,340
White House and it's the home of the

708
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:34,609
NASA

709
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:37,730
Press Club of which I am the number I'm

710
00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:39,849
going to be moving in a ninth floor and

711
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:43,700
I'm creating not a office of the studio

712
00:36:49,989 --> 00:36:46,690
but I'm creating a studio with an office

713
00:36:54,759 --> 00:36:49,999
where very soon I will start

714
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:54,769
broadcasting along with a co-host the

715
00:36:59,859 --> 00:36:57,529
first exopolitical podcast ever

716
00:37:02,259 --> 00:36:59,869
broadcast out of washington and not just

717
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:02,269
out of the Washington area out of the

718
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:04,460
national press building two blocks from

719
00:37:09,339 --> 00:37:07,369
the White House beautiful and and

720
00:37:12,430 --> 00:37:09,349
because I'm a member of the Press Club

721
00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:12,440
and simply because of the location of

722
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,079
itself I am aiming to bring on guests Oh

723
00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:20,480
politicians journalists scientists

724
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:23,420
government top people as many people as

725
00:37:27,339 --> 00:37:25,369
I can bring on that are relevant that in

726
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:27,349
very many cases have never spoken to

727
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:30,650
this issue publicly before we're doing

728
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,170
mainstream here because it's time to go

729
00:37:38,729 --> 00:37:36,079
mainstream by and large there's still a

730
00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:38,739
huge political chaos underway

731
00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:41,480
extraordinary unprecedented consuming I

732
00:37:45,489 --> 00:37:43,700
don't know how it's going to resolve but

733
00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:45,499
that is certainly making it difficult to

734
00:37:52,509 --> 00:37:48,849
to move certain issues forward and

735
00:37:55,569 --> 00:37:52,519
interact with the media which are pretty

736
00:37:58,029 --> 00:37:55,579
much consumed by the current chaos but

737
00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:58,039
nevertheless we can make progress and so

738
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:59,180
that's where I'm going to be coming from

739
00:38:04,479 --> 00:38:00,920
I'll make a formal announcement as very

740
00:38:06,940 --> 00:38:04,489
soon it will have a website it will also

741
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,950
have a YouTube channel and we're going

742
00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:09,920
to start doing these podcast and we're

743
00:38:17,499 --> 00:38:12,230
going to do we can to influence in

744
00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:17,509
addition I have I'm going to be lobbying

745
00:38:24,279 --> 00:38:22,190
on the hill again much more aggressively

746
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:24,289
than before because the to the Stars

747
00:38:27,609 --> 00:38:25,910
Academy has pretty much softened up I've

748
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:27,619
softened up they have pretty much opened

749
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:29,930
a lot of doors here if they legitimize

750
00:38:33,309 --> 00:38:31,670
the issue to another level which I

751
00:38:36,819 --> 00:38:33,319
didn't have the luxury of when I was

752
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:36,829
lobbying the last time around around 1/2

753
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:40,900
years ago and my partner in the podcast

754
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:45,200
will also be lobbying because she has

755
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:47,210
registered as a lobbyist

756
00:38:52,810 --> 00:38:50,150
as well and as it happens and just

757
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,820
matter of timing she is the second

758
00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:54,800
person to register at the federal level

759
00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:56,300
as a lobbyist on this issue and the

760
00:39:03,040 --> 00:38:58,910
first woman are you talking about Jason

761
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:03,050
will be working at it Stan I'm talking

762
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:04,730
about what are you talking about Chase

763
00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:08,480
clusky here somebody else yes face okay

764
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,580
no no actually no I'm referring to

765
00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:12,560
actually I'm talking clarify I'm talking

766
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:15,020
about Theresa Tyndall Theresa okay okay

767
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:17,780
my co-host okay okay good good good

768
00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:19,790
fantastic chase chase was going to

769
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:21,500
register the lobbyist and she may very

770
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:24,770
well do so at any time federal lobbyist

771
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:26,089
and when she does she'll be the third

772
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:27,890
and that's fine the more the better off

773
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,690
I don't want as many lobbyists on the

774
00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:32,000
hill pushing Congress on this issue as

775
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:34,460
possible right like again a lot because

776
00:39:39,609 --> 00:39:37,910
the pace really not very good well let

777
00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:39,619
me ask you this about the the kaku

778
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:42,260
statement that everybody in there most

779
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:44,390
everybody in the UFO community got kind

780
00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:45,890
of jumped all over it thinks it's a big

781
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:46,280
deal

782
00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:48,260
we're building an entire show around in

783
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:50,660
it but it really is not getting out to

784
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,490
the mainstream I've seen a couple

785
00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:55,040
spanish-language stories about it there

786
00:40:00,190 --> 00:39:57,230
was one yahoos story that sort of buried

787
00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:00,200
the buried the headline about the meat

788
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:02,420
of what kaku actually said this is not

789
00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:06,470
really going anywhere just yet well

790
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:07,220
that's understandable

791
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:09,890
because one one of the statements was

792
00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:11,420
made of barcelona spain and the other

793
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:14,030
was made on a Mexican radio show right I

794
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,540
know that Mitch you kaku agreed to go to

795
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:20,000
a conference called the world ufology

796
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:22,490
conference remember I'm not a fan of UFO

797
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:25,190
and ufology and I like those terms they

798
00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:27,650
have too much baggage there the terms of

799
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:30,080
the embargo but he went that's a long

800
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:32,140
ways and then he made those statements

801
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:36,770
it's my job it's not it's I'm not the

802
00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:38,180
only one that could say that but it's my

803
00:40:43,329 --> 00:40:40,580
job to make sure that that statement

804
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:43,339
gets into the mainstream press and I

805
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:45,830
assure you as soon as I get set up in my

806
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:47,210
office which could be within a couple of

807
00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:49,010
days I'm gonna go to work on that right

808
00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:49,300
away

809
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:55,400
excellent excellent and Michael Hall you

810
00:41:00,280 --> 00:40:59,599
are involved in a lengthy podcast next

811
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:00,290
weekend

812
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:03,680
regarding this area 51 event which is

813
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:05,900
kind of got started has actually gotten

814
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:07,190
a lot more attention in the mainstream

815
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:10,070
media than the Kaku statement up to this

816
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:12,020
point it's been going for a little while

817
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:14,690
but yeah you're you're gonna be doing

818
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:16,310
something next weekend why don't you

819
00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:18,320
tell the folks all about it and give

820
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:20,180
give us a little background on this area

821
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:23,840
51 event started by Madi I believe his

822
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:25,610
last name is Rogers if I recall off a

823
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:27,620
Roberts uh if I recall off the top of my

824
00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:29,480
head but tell the folks a little bit

825
00:41:35,170 --> 00:41:32,350
about what you've got going next weekend

826
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:35,180
well thank you Frank and by the way uh

827
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:38,450
Steven I tell you this is so wonderful

828
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,370
news to be able to hear that you're

829
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:42,800
going back to DC and that your office

830
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:44,540
now is going to be right there in the

831
00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:47,090
National Press Club one of the things

832
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:50,740
that we want to do with a 15 hour

833
00:41:58,570 --> 00:41:55,090
podcast marathon on Saturday September

834
00:42:02,020 --> 00:41:58,580
21st from 9:00 a.m. Eastern Standard

835
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:02,030
Time to 9:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time

836
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:06,260
is basically highlight groups like

837
00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:09,110
yourselves Steven the paradigm research

838
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,860
group doesn't operate in a vacuum and

839
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:15,680
needs to have some funds let's put it

840
00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:18,290
that way so we are going to pick your

841
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:21,320
group and others Peters Davenport's

842
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:23,240
national UFO Reporting Center we're

843
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:26,030
going to ask people to actually support

844
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:29,060
your groups and agencies by sending you

845
00:42:34,570 --> 00:42:31,490
some some money directly checks to

846
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:34,580
whatever address you want them to have

847
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:36,700
we're going to be kind of doing the old

848
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Jerry Lewis telethon for fifteen hours

849
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:42,650
oh my god yes Michael not there in a

850
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:44,270
robbery you're going to sing you'll

851
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:46,280
never walk alone at the end of the at

852
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:53,330
the end of the podcast yeah there you go

853
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,490
think about it oh you got it you got it

854
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:02,480
the words because because what we're

855
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:04,490
about to learn is we're not alone in the

856
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,530
universe isn't that fundamentally where

857
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,480
we're going to learn we're not alone in

858
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,400
the universe and we don't have to walk

859
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:12,800
walk alone in this galaxy I loved

860
00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:16,120
how many you can say it oh yeah

861
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:19,400
fantastic and and we we have never been

862
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:21,470
alone you know as far as I'm concerned

863
00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:24,710
as well so yeah well what we're going to

864
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:27,700
do Frank and Steve we're actually going

865
00:43:32,250 --> 00:43:30,920
myself and the UFO eye team are going to

866
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:32,260
Vegas

867
00:43:38,350 --> 00:43:35,170
actually I'm flying out on Tuesday the

868
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:38,360
17th but being there throughout the

869
00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:40,130
entire weekend of the 20th through the

870
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:45,140
22nd and in doing this podcast taking

871
00:43:51,550 --> 00:43:47,450
advantage of course of all the interests

872
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:51,560
about the area 51 events but we're out

873
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:55,850
there going to raise whatever public

874
00:44:03,280 --> 00:43:58,370
opinion we can for the serious research

875
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:03,290
and idea of ET and UFO presence on the

876
00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:05,240
planet and at the same time we're going

877
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:06,920
to highlight groups like the paradigm

878
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:10,670
research group and others so the public

879
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:12,830
can know all the decades of research

880
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:15,170
that you put into this and support you

881
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:16,610
in some way so that's what we're

882
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:19,750
attempting to do on Facebook by the way

883
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:23,570
you can go to the new Facebook page that

884
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:26,260
we've got up there called disclosure aid

885
00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:28,910
you know kind of like the old band-aid

886
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:30,920
you know concerts that they had with

887
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:32,990
sting and Bono and all those guys we

888
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:35,630
figure why not have a disclosure aid

889
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:39,380
event where people will tune in you know

890
00:44:45,010 --> 00:44:43,030
anytime they can on Facebook and join in

891
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:45,020
that's a brilliant idea

892
00:44:52,090 --> 00:44:49,760
and you know there's been a lot of

893
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:52,100
criticism of the initial idea from this

894
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:55,130
fellow Matty and he shifted around he's

895
00:44:59,260 --> 00:44:57,140
looking to do something now in Vegas

896
00:45:00,400 --> 00:44:59,270
itself where they're you know they've

897
00:45:02,650 --> 00:45:00,410
got a little bit more in the way of

898
00:45:06,490 --> 00:45:02,660
facilities and infrastructure not to

899
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:06,500
handle a larger event but that I'm glad

900
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:08,030
that they you're doing something like

901
00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:09,530
this this says this seems like a

902
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:11,540
positive type of thing not suggesting

903
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:13,610
any kind of civil disobedience like

904
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:16,010
storming the actual base itself and so

905
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:17,810
on and so forth which it seemed to me to

906
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:20,630
be a silly idea Steve let me ask you

907
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:22,250
this at any point in your activism

908
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:25,190
regarding this have you ever suggested

909
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:26,630
or I thought it might be a good idea

910
00:45:30,190 --> 00:45:28,190
to engage in some sort of civil

911
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:30,200
disobedience to try to get this out

912
00:45:39,339 --> 00:45:34,249
there or are you just avoiding that type

913
00:45:41,859 --> 00:45:39,349
of technique can answer your question II

914
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:41,869
know I have not though I have talked

915
00:45:47,819 --> 00:45:43,849
about the fact that civil disobedience

916
00:45:51,759 --> 00:45:47,829
is a legitimate tool of the activists a

917
00:45:54,759 --> 00:45:51,769
teacher of the et issue did not lend

918
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:54,769
itself to civil disobedience let alone

919
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,140
violence and there's never been any

920
00:46:00,729 --> 00:45:59,359
violence on the part of this movement as

921
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:00,739
far as I know going back to over the

922
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:02,390
years I've never had a single incident

923
00:46:06,489 --> 00:46:05,210
brought to my attention so I don't think

924
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:06,499
that's the way to go and of course I

925
00:46:12,729 --> 00:46:08,180
didn't think Maddie's idea was a good

926
00:46:16,989 --> 00:46:12,739
idea and quickly contacted him and said

927
00:46:18,569 --> 00:46:16,999
don't do that right yeah yeah let's turn

928
00:46:23,099 --> 00:46:18,579
that around as quickly as possible

929
00:46:26,769 --> 00:46:23,109
however he did he did do something

930
00:46:28,509 --> 00:46:26,779
positive in that and and and I give him

931
00:46:31,029 --> 00:46:28,519
credit for this I think it was an

932
00:46:33,069 --> 00:46:31,039
accident I don't think expected it he

933
00:46:35,769 --> 00:46:33,079
did something I couldn't do is no wait I

934
00:46:38,469 --> 00:46:35,779
could put up a storm area 51 thing in

935
00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:38,479
order to test the waters but he did he

936
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:40,460
didn't care he doesn't have the strength

937
00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:42,950
so he puts us up there and what 4

938
00:46:49,809 --> 00:46:45,140
million people respond now that's a lot

939
00:46:52,989 --> 00:46:49,819
of people as means go that's a lot of

940
00:46:55,749 --> 00:46:52,999
people whether they mean to go there or

941
00:46:59,229 --> 00:46:55,759
not most of didn't and so what he did is

942
00:47:02,319 --> 00:46:59,239
he just sent a message to the media the

943
00:47:05,219 --> 00:47:02,329
mainstream media as it is look at the

944
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:05,229
level of interest in this subject and

945
00:47:11,289 --> 00:47:07,910
getting it resolved because storming

946
00:47:13,989 --> 00:47:11,299
area 51 at its base is about resolving

947
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:13,999
the issue meaning whereas torment we're

948
00:47:16,749 --> 00:47:15,140
gonna go into those underground

949
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:16,759
facilities where they'll find those

950
00:47:21,279 --> 00:47:19,940
those a and B of course

951
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,289
raelia reproduction vehicle or whatever

952
00:47:25,059 --> 00:47:22,880
the LS is there and we're going to end

953
00:47:27,009 --> 00:47:25,069
this truth about that's four million

954
00:47:29,229 --> 00:47:27,019
people that was like a referendum and so

955
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:29,239
that was very important and I will be

956
00:47:37,989 --> 00:47:33,819
able to use that in my advocacy work

957
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,999
it's morphed into a festival in order to

958
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:40,400
get away from the

959
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,170
serious implications of civil

960
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,240
disobedience on that particular facility

961
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,880
I think day before yesterday two young

962
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:48,560
gentlemen I think from Norway or

963
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:51,020
something yeah actually did make the

964
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:53,210
move on the place and they could get

965
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:55,070
arrested pretty quickly but that was a

966
00:48:00,340 --> 00:47:57,890
couple of days ago and I'm not it's not

967
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:00,350
clear or certain there will not be a

968
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:03,020
problem in the next kind of coming days

969
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,660
twenty twenty first I hope not

970
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:07,520
it won't help the disclosure movement if

971
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:10,580
there is I can assure you but I want to

972
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:12,910
get back to Michael's a project look

973
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:15,310
here you were going to be the first

974
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:18,890
telethon or pata thon on this subject

975
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:20,450
ever so you break a new ground

976
00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:25,040
bold to say the least and on my website

977
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:27,080
paradigm research group that or there's

978
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:28,910
a contribute links are easy to find in

979
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:30,920
several places at the top and on that

980
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:33,590
contribute link you can find everything

981
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:35,090
you want to know about the options about

982
00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:37,250
how funds can be provided I don't need

983
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:38,120
to tell you it's right there

984
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:46,880
to PRG so these are again milestone

985
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:50,720
things and it this is yeah this issue

986
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:54,530
has stood around since 1947 and no one

987
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:57,110
is ever suggestive stormy carry 251

988
00:49:02,860 --> 00:48:59,660
until a couple of months ago right and

989
00:49:06,130 --> 00:49:02,870
and no one has held a telethon or a pot

990
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:06,140
a thon there are things and of course

991
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:09,230
what to the Stars Academy did releasing

992
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:10,970
three clips of first gun camera footage

993
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:12,560
ever authorized by any government ever

994
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:14,690
to be released to the public and not

995
00:49:18,850 --> 00:49:17,030
just any clips clips that highlight at

996
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:18,860
two major events the Nimitz carrier

997
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:21,170
event and the Franklin D Roosevelt

998
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:24,050
carrier that putting an ad on the spot

999
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:26,090
and then revealing programs that had

1000
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:27,560
gone on and people involved in

1001
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:30,230
everything this is unprecedented this is

1002
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:35,680
not 1970 80 90 mm we're past that and

1003
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:37,910
you take all of these unprecedented

1004
00:49:42,910 --> 00:49:41,120
activities and you package them up and

1005
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:42,920
look at it from a distance and what you

1006
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:45,290
see is the beginning of the end of the

1007
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:47,510
truth embargo how long it will hang on I

1008
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:50,450
do not know but its days are certainly

1009
00:49:54,279 --> 00:49:53,870
numbered at this point and Michael you

1010
00:49:56,589 --> 00:49:54,289
had mention

1011
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:56,599
earlier in the show that this is a

1012
00:50:01,839 --> 00:49:59,359
Rachel Nevada is not the easiest place

1013
00:50:04,329 --> 00:50:01,849
to get to that facilities are somewhat

1014
00:50:05,499 --> 00:50:04,339
limited you said you had some advice for

1015
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:05,509
the folks who might be thinking about

1016
00:50:09,969 --> 00:50:07,880
taking a spin out there and joining you

1017
00:50:12,429 --> 00:50:09,979
live so why don't you tell us a little

1018
00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:12,439
bit about your recommendations for

1019
00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:14,660
anyone who's looking to visit directly

1020
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:19,069
oh sure Frank yeah it's in Steven thank

1021
00:50:23,620 --> 00:50:21,049
you very much for those kind words about

1022
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:23,630
the you know the milestone events that

1023
00:50:28,989 --> 00:50:26,660
we're trying to affect here because you

1024
00:50:30,999 --> 00:50:28,999
you you are the godfather of milestone

1025
00:50:32,829 --> 00:50:31,009
events yourself or the paradigm research

1026
00:50:35,439 --> 00:50:32,839
group and there's this no reason I'm

1027
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:35,449
black people cities should not support

1028
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:37,729
you 100% and that's what we're

1029
00:50:43,929 --> 00:50:41,119
attempting to do here but you know if

1030
00:50:47,759 --> 00:50:43,939
people would really like to get into the

1031
00:50:51,489 --> 00:50:47,769
details of physically going to area 51

1032
00:50:54,429 --> 00:50:51,499
Rachel or heiko Nevada they can go to

1033
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:54,439
the UFO eye team Facebook page and we've

1034
00:51:00,909 --> 00:50:57,529
got a video up there of our trip that we

1035
00:51:03,249 --> 00:51:00,919
made two weeks ago out there in 105

1036
00:51:06,459 --> 00:51:03,259
degree heat by the way so you have to be

1037
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:06,469
prepared for in weather that is totally

1038
00:51:11,229 --> 00:51:08,380
different than what you might be used to

1039
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:11,239
but in reality you're going to end up

1040
00:51:18,130 --> 00:51:15,729
taking a highway 93 north of Las Vegas

1041
00:51:20,969 --> 00:51:18,140
literally for two and a half maybe

1042
00:51:23,409 --> 00:51:20,979
almost three hours and that's in good

1043
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:23,419
driving conditions so if you're talking

1044
00:51:27,549 --> 00:51:25,640
maybe a couple thousand people or more

1045
00:51:31,539 --> 00:51:27,559
on the highway which is a two-lane

1046
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:31,549
highway it's going to be a lot harder to

1047
00:51:38,529 --> 00:51:35,569
get to but the the trick is once you get

1048
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:38,539
out of Vegas if you don't fill up or top

1049
00:51:44,649 --> 00:51:41,900
off your gas tank whatever vehicle

1050
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:44,659
you're driving it is going to be at

1051
00:51:51,249 --> 00:51:48,049
least another 200 miles to get to your

1052
00:51:54,249 --> 00:51:51,259
destination at heiko Nevada at the

1053
00:51:57,059 --> 00:51:54,259
intersection of Highway 93 and the

1054
00:51:59,859 --> 00:51:57,069
highway 375 the Extra Terrestrial

1055
00:52:02,109 --> 00:51:59,869
highway you're going to run into heiko

1056
00:52:05,439 --> 00:52:02,119
first and then you're going to take a

1057
00:52:06,789 --> 00:52:05,449
left and go 40 more miles to get to

1058
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:06,799
Rachel Nevada

1059
00:52:11,739 --> 00:52:09,109
and when you get there there is no gas

1060
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:11,749
station there is no facility to be able

1061
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:15,170
to provide you with fuel to get back so

1062
00:52:18,819 --> 00:52:16,729
if you don't fill up right away you're

1063
00:52:21,699 --> 00:52:18,829
in big trouble right off the bat you

1064
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:21,709
have to bring in and be prepared to

1065
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:25,630
handle your own water and food your own

1066
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:28,880
resources on you know how you're going

1067
00:52:36,699 --> 00:52:32,660
to survive for two days overnight at the

1068
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:36,709
very least and the folks out there at

1069
00:52:42,189 --> 00:52:39,890
hiko there's a really wonderful woman by

1070
00:52:45,549 --> 00:52:42,199
the name of Linda Looney that's a real

1071
00:52:48,489 --> 00:52:45,559
name who runs the alien research center

1072
00:52:51,249 --> 00:52:48,499
for George Harris in the very first

1073
00:52:55,229 --> 00:52:51,259
location that you'll run across they are

1074
00:52:59,919 --> 00:52:55,239
planning a major UFO conference and

1075
00:53:02,739 --> 00:52:59,929
concert put on by well Jeremy Korbel is

1076
00:53:05,169 --> 00:53:02,749
one of the organizers out there and then

1077
00:53:07,749 --> 00:53:05,179
as you go left on the extra treasure

1078
00:53:10,809 --> 00:53:07,759
Highway halfway between Rachel and heiko

1079
00:53:12,669 --> 00:53:10,819
you will find that black mailbox on the

1080
00:53:15,489 --> 00:53:12,679
left-hand side of the highway which is

1081
00:53:18,099 --> 00:53:15,499
14 mile esta cutoff that you would take

1082
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:18,109
to actually go to area 51

1083
00:53:22,479 --> 00:53:19,670
and I would imagine they're going to

1084
00:53:23,709 --> 00:53:22,489
stop people right there so I don't think

1085
00:53:26,949 --> 00:53:23,719
you're going to get past the black

1086
00:53:30,729 --> 00:53:26,959
mailbox at that point but at Rachel

1087
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:30,739
Nevada Connie West the owner and her

1088
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:33,890
family has the little alien bar and

1089
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:39,410
motel there where only 54 people reside

1090
00:53:45,729 --> 00:53:43,089
there here around she is embracing for

1091
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,739
Armageddon let's put it that way I've

1092
00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:47,839
been in communications with Connie for

1093
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:50,660
almost two months now and we'll be going

1094
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:53,689
back there on the 17th to pitch in in

1095
00:53:58,289 --> 00:53:54,650
any way I can

1096
00:54:02,650 --> 00:53:58,299
before the podcast on Saturday the 21st

1097
00:54:06,009 --> 00:54:02,660
but they are doing yeoman's duty on an

1098
00:54:08,249 --> 00:54:06,019
event that they had no planning in and

1099
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,259
they were just being thrust upon them so

1100
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:11,599
you have to be totally prepared to

1101
00:54:17,739 --> 00:54:15,650
survive on your own and I wouldn't put

1102
00:54:19,809 --> 00:54:17,749
any credence in the fact that you're

1103
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:19,819
going to get there and buy all the food

1104
00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:20,330
you need

1105
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,070
bring it all as you go and the last

1106
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:27,200
thing I would admonish people is that

1107
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:30,310
Leave No Trace if you're going there and

1108
00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:32,870
you're going to be there for a while you

1109
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:34,340
take everything with you so they don't

1110
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:37,370
have a big mess to clear up when when

1111
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:40,210
you when you get out of there

1112
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:43,970
sounds like I need to add to that Frank

1113
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:45,080
let me add to that this I don't know

1114
00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:46,970
more to be said here what Michael said

1115
00:54:53,110 --> 00:54:49,550
is great but I think this more I need to

1116
00:54:54,850 --> 00:54:53,120
add more to this let's understand what

1117
00:54:57,610 --> 00:54:54,860
happened here

1118
00:55:00,220 --> 00:54:57,620
Manny Roberts had a cool idea put up a

1119
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:00,230
theme generated something big bigger

1120
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,510
than he ever imagined

1121
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:04,160
that gave the impression that a lot of

1122
00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:06,890
people might storm area 51 which would

1123
00:55:11,020 --> 00:55:08,630
have been a bad deal a lot of pushback

1124
00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:11,030
came against that appropriate late loss

1125
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:14,150
as an active criticism and so forth and

1126
00:55:19,390 --> 00:55:17,300
so smartly though I would have changed

1127
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:19,400
the wording on the on the main site the

1128
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:21,110
main Facebook page on this I never did

1129
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:23,930
that which is I think a mistake many men

1130
00:55:29,530 --> 00:55:26,570
they in order to get out from under the

1131
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:29,540
problem they segwayed into festival mode

1132
00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:34,640
and two festivals were I think where

1133
00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:35,660
there was attempt to get two festivals

1134
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:38,540
together might even be three now I

1135
00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:42,140
understand this is people are thinking

1136
00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:43,700
oh well they're having a festival wait a

1137
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:45,830
minute I assure you if it wasn't for the

1138
00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:49,280
area 51 storming thing nobody is going

1139
00:55:53,590 --> 00:55:51,950
to put a festival out there this is not

1140
00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:53,600
a place for a festival it's just a

1141
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:56,180
Woodstock all right I assure you it's

1142
00:56:00,460 --> 00:55:58,850
anything but Woodstock so normally you

1143
00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:00,470
would never have a festival like this

1144
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:02,660
out there but because of the problem

1145
00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:04,190
with the whole four million people

1146
00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:05,720
signing up for storm eight they needed a

1147
00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:09,080
segue okay so they did but this is not

1148
00:56:18,130 --> 00:56:14,540
conducive for that so for one thing and

1149
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:18,140
any other thing is this is this is what

1150
00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:22,160
it is like Woodstock in one sense there

1151
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:23,720
was X number of thousand people they

1152
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:25,490
were expected and five times that showed

1153
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:27,380
up so there's a big difference between

1154
00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:30,740
1,000 people showing up out there 5,000

1155
00:56:33,970 --> 00:56:32,660
people showing up there 15,000 people

1156
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:33,980
each

1157
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:35,900
then you add the problems going to get

1158
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:40,130
worse and worse so if you want to be

1159
00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:43,490
smart about this you do not go out there

1160
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:46,760
unless you're in an RV it'd have to be

1161
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:47,420
huge

1162
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:49,910
RV that's got a toilet you can put lots

1163
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:52,100
of water in and food extra gas and

1164
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:53,950
you're probably going to be just fine

1165
00:57:00,540 --> 00:56:57,710
but if you're not in an RV you can

1166
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:00,550
expect to have some problems

1167
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:04,640
the one of the festival's was cancelled

1168
00:57:08,349 --> 00:57:06,410
maybe they get he could get approval

1169
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:08,359
they were able to get approval from

1170
00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:10,700
another County and they went ahead with

1171
00:57:15,070 --> 00:57:13,100
it they may regret that but whatever at

1172
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:15,080
least two of the counties had to go into

1173
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:18,170
emergency mode meaning they're

1174
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:20,210
anticipating problems of a degree that

1175
00:57:24,099 --> 00:57:22,670
they had to go on emergency status which

1176
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:24,109
means that people are going to be

1177
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:26,150
brought in it's going to be people doing

1178
00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:27,530
overtime and there's other suspect

1179
00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:28,940
that's a lot of money is going to be

1180
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:32,980
spent and I don't want to sound like a a

1181
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:36,530
totally negative guy but I am NOT going

1182
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:38,780
to be surprised of somebody or

1183
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:41,680
somebodies don't get hit with a bill

1184
00:57:47,590 --> 00:57:45,710
from these counties for the security and

1185
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:47,600
all the other time they have had to put

1186
00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:50,030
into service this issue oh yeah no it

1187
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:52,760
would be a very big bill they're gonna

1188
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,650
have to bring in porta-potties I got to

1189
00:57:58,990 --> 00:57:56,960
be concerned about that you know a food

1190
00:58:00,460 --> 00:57:59,000
water welcome festival is supposed to

1191
00:58:01,780 --> 00:58:00,470
put in porta-potties the festival

1192
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,790
supposed to bring them that in and if

1193
00:58:06,190 --> 00:58:02,960
they don't bring enough that's going to

1194
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:06,200
be a problem and and maybe the area 51

1195
00:58:09,099 --> 00:58:07,490
festival which seems to me the last

1196
00:58:11,260 --> 00:58:09,109
festival standing is going to get all

1197
00:58:12,370 --> 00:58:11,270
that done except they don't know how

1198
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,380
many people are going to come this is

1199
00:58:17,410 --> 00:58:15,440
not an RSVP and so if the number of

1200
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:17,420
people that come is ten times more than

1201
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:19,609
the porta-potties can handle you see the

1202
00:58:26,109 --> 00:58:21,800
problem here sure on Sodor this is a

1203
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:26,119
tricky situation and and then there is

1204
00:58:30,430 --> 00:58:29,030
also the possibility that some of these

1205
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:30,440
people are going to side and come all

1206
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:33,190
this way just to listen to some music

1207
00:58:41,890 --> 00:58:38,150
I'm heading out to area 51 and at that

1208
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:41,900
point anything can happen now if I were

1209
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:44,030
if I were in charge of all this and I

1210
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:46,190
assure you I'm not and I am NOT going to

1211
00:58:51,790 --> 00:58:47,740
be and I don't want to be

1212
00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:51,800
but I would for those that want to be

1213
00:58:57,059 --> 00:58:54,680
activists there's an option that they

1214
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:57,069
could do which would be kind of cool and

1215
00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:01,160
that is this you get a hundred two

1216
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:03,380
hundred three hundred four hundred five

1217
00:59:09,790 --> 00:59:05,380
six up I don't know how many people and

1218
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,800
their vehicles and what they do is they

1219
00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:11,839
head north and it can be either way I

1220
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:16,220
think it should be on the seed link and

1221
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:17,750
my orientation there would be like the

1222
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:20,300
western side there was head head north

1223
00:59:31,470 --> 00:59:26,890
of the mailbox and then drive south and

1224
00:59:34,059 --> 00:59:31,480
then pull over to the side of the road

1225
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:34,069
no you're not on the road you're just

1226
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:35,690
off the side of the road because there's

1227
00:59:39,579 --> 00:59:37,490
a lot of side of the road out there in

1228
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:39,589
that neck of the woods and so what you

1229
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:42,230
end up with is a huge long line of cars

1230
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:45,890
on the side of the road the side that

1231
00:59:51,609 --> 00:59:48,650
area 51 is on eventually out in the

1232
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:51,619
distance huge long line and then people

1233
00:59:57,970 --> 00:59:54,770
get out of their car and they get up and

1234
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:57,980
maybe sit on the hood and just look in

1235
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:00,980
the direction of area 51 making a

1236
01:00:04,210 --> 01:00:01,520
statement

1237
01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:04,220
now you film this of course and you take

1238
01:00:09,069 --> 01:00:05,900
some great photos of it it will be a

1239
01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,079
rather remarkable scene that will will

1240
01:00:14,829 --> 01:00:11,240
those images will get played all over

1241
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:14,839
the world it's a silent non violent non

1242
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:18,050
in cursive protest it will not interrupt

1243
01:00:22,180 --> 01:00:19,460
the traffic that so many people are

1244
01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:22,190
polite on that road and for a certain

1245
01:00:26,530 --> 01:00:24,680
amount of time maybe a half-hour people

1246
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:26,540
just sit there and stare out at that and

1247
01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:29,030
that that expanse where area 51 and a

1248
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:32,060
lot of other things exist making a

1249
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,910
statement we want to know what's going

1250
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:35,680
on here

1251
01:00:41,050 --> 01:00:39,200
we've been patient a long time but the

1252
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:41,060
circumstances are increasingly such that

1253
01:00:46,089 --> 01:00:44,210
this secrecy this embargo is no longer

1254
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:46,099
in America's interest and we wanted to

1255
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:48,470
add that's the kind of thing that I

1256
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:52,130
would suggest beyond that I really can't

1257
01:00:58,540 --> 01:00:55,940
think of anything and and for a lot of

1258
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,550
people if they were to ask me Steve in

1259
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:01,040
terms of just going not going what were

1260
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:01,370
you

1261
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:04,730
just I would say fundamentally don't go

1262
01:01:11,770 --> 01:01:08,990
but participate in the Python that's

1263
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,780
going to be in Vegas watch it listen to

1264
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:14,480
it whatever contribute on the day after

1265
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:16,430
right and that's another way to support

1266
01:01:20,110 --> 01:01:18,950
this issue substantially and also make a

1267
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:20,120
statement because the more people

1268
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:21,050
involved when they can make the

1269
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:22,310
statement of the government hey we're

1270
01:01:24,550 --> 01:01:24,050
serious about this that would be my

1271
01:01:26,590 --> 01:01:24,560
advice

1272
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:26,600
I just under the circumstances I could

1273
01:01:32,980 --> 01:01:29,870
never an buys anybody to go to this

1274
01:01:36,070 --> 01:01:32,990
festival knowing what I know I'm not

1275
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:36,080
saying it could go off perfectly but the

1276
01:01:39,610 --> 01:01:37,850
nature of how it was started how it was

1277
01:01:41,890 --> 01:01:39,620
set up and what's going on out there and

1278
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:41,900
where it is I don't know what the

1279
01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:43,610
temperature's going to be but I don't

1280
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:47,180
think it's going to be cool there is a

1281
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:50,950
lot of potential for unpleasantness and

1282
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,390
and I'm selfish in that regard because

1283
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:55,280
as an activist here any unpleasantness

1284
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:57,170
that happens out there I'm gonna have to

1285
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:58,760
deal with it sure I'm going to have

1286
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:01,280
people questioning you know who are

1287
01:02:04,180 --> 01:02:02,870
these people that believe there's et so

1288
01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:04,190
I they're crazy they go in the desert

1289
01:02:08,830 --> 01:02:05,960
they got hurt they did stupid stuff and

1290
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,840
I'm I'm in this issue so I'm being

1291
01:02:12,610 --> 01:02:10,160
selfish I'm saying I don't we don't need

1292
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:12,620
that we're making a lot of progress here

1293
01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:15,350
on this issue we do not need a fiasco in

1294
01:02:21,070 --> 01:02:19,070
the desert so but I hope that not that

1295
01:02:23,590 --> 01:02:21,080
happens and I hope that those ago at the

1296
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:23,600
time but boy they need to give a lot of

1297
01:02:28,510 --> 01:02:26,350
thought into this this isn't Burning Man

1298
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:28,520
you know how do people take it oh that

1299
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:30,110
some people the one person called it the

1300
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:32,810
area alien Burning Man I'm saying I've

1301
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:34,210
been to Burning Man

1302
01:02:39,490 --> 01:02:36,890
Burning Man cost I don't know eight or

1303
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:39,500
nine million dollars to put together it

1304
01:02:45,850 --> 01:02:42,170
has hundreds of volunteers they spend

1305
01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:45,860
months getting it all set up this is

1306
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:48,590
anything but burning that and so I just

1307
01:02:53,070 --> 01:02:49,970
hope people just keep their head on

1308
01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:53,080
straight and do the smart thing and

1309
01:02:59,110 --> 01:02:55,160
you're looking to do the smart thing

1310
01:03:01,710 --> 01:02:59,120
when you go there Michael luck when when

1311
01:03:04,270 --> 01:03:01,720
can we expect you to get there and

1312
01:03:06,430 --> 01:03:04,280
you're you're set up and then now you're

1313
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:06,440
gonna do the other podcast marathon on

1314
01:03:13,810 --> 01:03:09,440
Saturday so fill us in a little bit more

1315
01:03:15,069 --> 01:03:13,820
about that yeah I sure will and by the

1316
01:03:17,309 --> 01:03:15,079
way just to a depth

1317
01:03:20,769 --> 01:03:17,319
along what Stephen was mentioning about

1318
01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:20,779
actually being there it's if for

1319
01:03:27,609 --> 01:03:24,920
instance you actually got to the extra

1320
01:03:30,579 --> 01:03:27,619
trust or a highway halfway between heiko

1321
01:03:32,910 --> 01:03:30,589
and and rachel is the black mailbox

1322
01:03:36,969 --> 01:03:32,920
that's where you turn off to make a

1323
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:36,979
southward turn to get to the north part

1324
01:03:42,849 --> 01:03:40,400
of area 51 from the mailbox or the

1325
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:42,859
highway to the gate the first gate that

1326
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:45,920
you would run across is 14 miles away by

1327
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,609
the way all filled with sensors and you

1328
01:03:54,279 --> 01:03:51,680
know gear that they know you're coming

1329
01:03:58,900 --> 01:03:54,289
if you ever got to the gate at that

1330
01:04:01,180 --> 01:03:58,910
point there is a thirty mile expanse of

1331
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:01,190
desert before you actually get to the

1332
01:04:09,099 --> 01:04:04,089
very formidable mountains by the way

1333
01:04:11,859 --> 01:04:09,109
that basically border area 51 from the

1334
01:04:13,299 --> 01:04:11,869
rest of the valley there if you get over

1335
01:04:16,089 --> 01:04:13,309
the mountains you've got another ten

1336
01:04:18,759 --> 01:04:16,099
miles to hike to actually get to the

1337
01:04:20,410 --> 01:04:18,769
base itself and if the weather is

1338
01:04:23,380 --> 01:04:20,420
hovering anywhere around a hundred

1339
01:04:24,910 --> 01:04:23,390
degrees there's just no way first of all

1340
01:04:28,449 --> 01:04:24,920
you're going to do it in a vehicle the

1341
01:04:31,569 --> 01:04:28,459
second problem is actually walking that

1342
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:31,579
distance in the heat and it's impossible

1343
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:34,609
so I think you know the whole idea of

1344
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:38,329
the podcast marathon is what we hope is

1345
01:04:43,660 --> 01:04:41,209
a safer and insane alternative for

1346
01:04:46,449 --> 01:04:43,670
people literally around the world who

1347
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:46,459
don't have an opportunity obviously to

1348
01:04:53,319 --> 01:04:49,130
show up in a small community like Rachel

1349
01:04:57,729 --> 01:04:53,329
Nevada so I will be flying out again on

1350
01:05:00,459 --> 01:04:57,739
Tuesday the 17th to the the base that

1351
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:00,469
we're setting up there in Northwest Las

1352
01:05:07,449 --> 01:05:03,680
Vegas at a house there that a friend of

1353
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:07,459
mine from college lives in and then we

1354
01:05:13,209 --> 01:05:10,430
are going to make periodic forays into

1355
01:05:15,219 --> 01:05:13,219
Rachel to talk with Connie West again

1356
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:15,229
she is the one that we've been working

1357
01:05:21,299 --> 01:05:18,079
with and trying to help you know her in

1358
01:05:24,579 --> 01:05:21,309
any way we can with moral support and

1359
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:24,589
any kind of advice that we can give her

1360
01:05:28,810 --> 01:05:27,529
and the whole idea of giving and getting

1361
01:05:32,170 --> 01:05:28,820
announcements out to

1362
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:32,180
press and the Facebook community and on

1363
01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:35,810
the internet so on Saturday after the

1364
01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:37,640
event by the way the funny thing with

1365
01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:40,430
Maddie Roberts announcement that he

1366
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:44,540
inadvertently picked a time of 3 a.m. on

1367
01:05:51,970 --> 01:05:48,710
Friday the 20th I don't know it's also a

1368
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:51,980
mistake yeah exactly so there's no way

1369
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:55,250
anyone is as far as I can see then

1370
01:06:00,040 --> 01:05:57,050
literally they'd have to show up by

1371
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:00,050
Wednesday to get out there and get ready

1372
01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:03,260
for a early let's say you know Friday

1373
01:06:08,980 --> 01:06:05,720
morning it's almost like Thursday in the

1374
01:06:13,630 --> 01:06:08,990
middle of the night run to the gate so

1375
01:06:16,060 --> 01:06:13,640
I'm assuming that by Saturday things

1376
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,070
will have settled down a bit

1377
01:06:22,090 --> 01:06:19,280
and hopefully things have taken their

1378
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:22,100
course and been peaceful at that point

1379
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:26,330
and that's when we are at 9 a.m. Eastern

1380
01:06:32,530 --> 01:06:28,450
Standard Time going to start the podcast

1381
01:06:35,530 --> 01:06:32,540
with basically kind of bringing in some

1382
01:06:37,590 --> 01:06:35,540
really good paranormal podcasters from

1383
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:37,600
around the world to kind of like

1384
01:06:43,450 --> 01:06:41,450
tag-team the event I will be kind of you

1385
01:06:46,330 --> 01:06:43,460
know doing the emcee works throughout

1386
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:46,340
the 15 hours till 9 p.m. Pacific

1387
01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:50,150
Standard Time but we are going to have

1388
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:52,600
interviews we're going to have musicians

1389
01:06:59,620 --> 01:06:56,630
music on the air and we're going to

1390
01:07:03,670 --> 01:06:59,630
bring about whatever awareness we can

1391
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:03,680
for UFO and et disclosure and just kind

1392
01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:06,290
of make it an event that will be will be

1393
01:07:12,850 --> 01:07:09,620
fun and informative I believe sounds

1394
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,860
awesome I cannot wait to listen and yeah

1395
01:07:17,710 --> 01:07:14,960
let's say we covered all the ground that

1396
01:07:19,210 --> 01:07:17,720
we had on the agenda today Steve or

1397
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:19,220
Michael do either of you have anything

1398
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:20,570
else that you want to jump in with

1399
01:07:30,970 --> 01:07:27,830
before we wrap up here oh boy um that's

1400
01:07:32,830 --> 01:07:30,980
a good question well I mean I'm actually

1401
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:32,840
I mention this I have a good I have a

1402
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,390
good friend in college supporter a UFO

1403
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:38,720
Jim LED without of Sonoma and years ago

1404
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:43,060
he and his wife drove out

1405
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:47,890
- area 51 and they again this was years

1406
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:50,860
ago they cruised on down and they got to

1407
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:55,450
the gate and they ended up getting how

1408
01:08:00,330 --> 01:07:57,850
would you say pulled over and then

1409
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:00,340
brought in to the facility there and

1410
01:08:07,170 --> 01:08:05,200
interrogated for two hours and Jim Jim

1411
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:07,180
is a very likable guy I mean he's a

1412
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:08,650
really cool like well guy and he was

1413
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:11,590
also former Air Force and so he

1414
01:08:18,450 --> 01:08:14,410
ultimately just sort of put put them at

1415
01:08:20,519 --> 01:08:18,460
ease and and what-have-you and they were

1416
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:20,529
able to leave and I but I still think

1417
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:21,490
the reason it kept there for two hours

1418
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:25,120
was not because they really thought

1419
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:26,799
there was a threat but just to teach a

1420
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:27,279
lesson

1421
01:08:32,910 --> 01:08:30,370
sure oh yeah don't do that right don't

1422
01:08:36,809 --> 01:08:32,920
do that so that's just like that and and

1423
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:36,819
it's a great story now but they and they

1424
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:38,710
did it at night and and and again that's

1425
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:40,270
the other thing Maddie wasn't again he

1426
01:08:44,610 --> 01:08:42,370
wasn't serious about this it was a joke

1427
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:44,620
right so he didn't care he just put it

1428
01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:46,930
at 3 a.m. and I'm going the worst thing

1429
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:49,270
you could possibly do here's a whole

1430
01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:52,330
bunch of people show up at 3 a.m. in the

1431
01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:55,150
morning yeah how dark it is there it's

1432
01:08:57,809 --> 01:08:55,720
8:00

1433
01:09:00,059 --> 01:08:57,819
unless there's a moon without a

1434
01:09:02,099 --> 01:09:00,069
flashlight you could even see your

1435
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:02,109
fingers in front of your face and so

1436
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:03,730
they're out in the dark the guys that

1437
01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:05,290
are that are securing the base have no

1438
01:09:09,150 --> 01:09:07,240
idea what the hell's go and what they

1439
01:09:12,090 --> 01:09:09,160
could do some of them could be cruising

1440
01:09:13,769 --> 01:09:12,100
out on foot and trying to get in on the

1441
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:13,779
other side and that makes them that

1442
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:17,140
start to get them paranoid and concerned

1443
01:09:22,590 --> 01:09:20,200
and some of them are could easily lose

1444
01:09:25,499 --> 01:09:22,600
their job if people get through there

1445
01:09:27,450 --> 01:09:25,509
and they don't get it and so now you see

1446
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:27,460
the potential for things going bad gets

1447
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:30,940
worse and worse so I hope to god nobody

1448
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:33,759
actually goes out of 3m to make the

1449
01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:36,310
Naruto run on the fence they'll never

1450
01:09:39,630 --> 01:09:38,230
make it to the actual base don't die in

1451
01:09:42,690 --> 01:09:39,640
the desert before they get there but

1452
01:09:44,999 --> 01:09:42,700
they will they get to the gate and maybe

1453
01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:45,009
up the roadways I just hope to god

1454
01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:50,190
nobody does that but I'll say this if if

1455
01:09:56,850 --> 01:09:52,900
if the last thing I'll say is this if

1456
01:10:00,720 --> 01:09:56,860
Maddy Roberts in his wisdom it somehow

1457
01:10:03,689 --> 01:10:00,730
with the way to put this up and have it

1458
01:10:05,729 --> 01:10:03,699
that you in order to sign up to go there

1459
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:05,739
and be part of it you had to give an

1460
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:08,800
email address he would have collected

1461
01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:12,250
perhaps four million email addresses and

1462
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:14,020
Maddy Roberts would have instantly

1463
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:17,050
become a major force in the disclosure

1464
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,330
acted this move there you go there's

1465
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:21,040
your doing that email list would be

1466
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:22,060
worth a fortune

1467
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:24,010
but he wasn't thinking that way he was

1468
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:25,810
just having some fun right right and

1469
01:10:29,609 --> 01:10:28,480
apparently he got visited to by the FBI

1470
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:29,619
at his home

1471
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:32,170
apparently reported that he did so or

1472
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:34,449
they take this very seriously retention

1473
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,449
yeah yeah I don't screw around folks you

1474
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:39,520
know if I you do make it out there or do

1475
01:10:43,379 --> 01:10:41,170
any of the other disclosure events and

1476
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:43,389
Steve Bassett does this would not be an

1477
01:10:47,879 --> 01:10:45,550
idea a bad idea to have an event like

1478
01:10:49,530 --> 01:10:47,889
this in Washington DC to you know

1479
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:49,540
there's always that you can do the same

1480
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:52,510
type of thing there and event yeah an

1481
01:10:56,669 --> 01:10:54,940
event amends act what an event like this

1482
01:10:59,220 --> 01:10:56,679
where you have some bands there you have

1483
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,230
some UFO people there all together a

1484
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:01,360
disclosure like festival you know that

1485
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,810
kind of thing in in the past I have had

1486
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:07,360
several two or three discussions with

1487
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:12,400
people appropriate people about a truth

1488
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:15,369
aid conference right in other words true

1489
01:11:22,379 --> 01:11:20,080
fade and because there there are so many

1490
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:22,389
bands so many music isn't that there

1491
01:11:27,689 --> 01:11:25,000
that have already publicly come out and

1492
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:27,699
said yeah they believe that did add a

1493
01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:31,449
major sighting absolutely yeah and so

1494
01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:33,429
but and I'm thinking boy get those acts

1495
01:11:37,379 --> 01:11:35,260
to come in and do a truth aid conference

1496
01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:37,389
well yeah and then and then and you can

1497
01:11:40,890 --> 01:11:38,860
branch it out because if it's truth aid

1498
01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:40,900
you could possibly cover a few more

1499
01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:45,460
areas here I'll drop some names here

1500
01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:47,409
some guys who were still active John

1501
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:49,750
Anderson from yes he's a longtime

1502
01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:53,110
contact me Sammy Hagar wrote about it in

1503
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:55,060
his autobiography he's a contact II

1504
01:11:59,850 --> 01:11:57,610
Alice Cooper had a sighting out in

1505
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:59,860
Arizona so these aren't small names

1506
01:12:05,609 --> 01:12:02,080
these aren't too obscure group sir

1507
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:05,619
performers looking to you know go for a

1508
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:07,150
ride on something and get some attention

1509
01:12:10,259 --> 01:12:09,250
for themselves there are some big names

1510
01:12:13,859 --> 01:12:10,269
out there have had

1511
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:13,869
very close encounters with et by their

1512
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:16,150
own admission somebody blue moody blues

1513
01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:19,090
absolutely absolutely a whole lot a lot

1514
01:12:24,419 --> 01:12:20,739
of them are when this anymore but a lot

1515
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,429
of them still are you know oh yeah and

1516
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:27,280
and but what I learned is is that that

1517
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:30,070
is a major undertaking but that is a

1518
01:12:33,689 --> 01:12:31,630
major undertaking

1519
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:33,699
Curtis there needs to be a lot of

1520
01:12:40,069 --> 01:12:37,210
advance money a lot of work and it's

1521
01:12:42,899 --> 01:12:40,079
just it was a project way beyond my

1522
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:42,909
efforts I mean a lot of bloods Minh was

1523
01:12:47,009 --> 01:12:44,860
really serious about doing this but

1524
01:12:50,459 --> 01:12:47,019
unfortunately he passed away so it's

1525
01:12:52,739 --> 01:12:50,469
been out there is the possibility but

1526
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:52,749
again when you're talking Farm Aid

1527
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:55,090
you're talking basic stuff everybody's

1528
01:13:00,479 --> 01:12:57,489
on board you moment you get to et Area

1529
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:00,489
truth embargo a lot of uncertainties and

1530
01:13:06,299 --> 01:13:04,150
so it just didn't happen but one day I I

1531
01:13:08,819 --> 01:13:06,309
will predict I think this is a certainty

1532
01:13:11,069 --> 01:13:08,829
that if we have disclosure and we get

1533
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:11,079
the formal acknowledgment from all the

1534
01:13:14,509 --> 01:13:12,610
heads of state around the world and it's

1535
01:13:17,220 --> 01:13:14,519
pretty much the post disclosure world

1536
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:17,230
they're still that's just that's just a

1537
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:19,300
simple acknowledgment ETS are here that

1538
01:13:24,450 --> 01:13:22,900
is not the truth of the matter that's

1539
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,460
not the full truth of the history of

1540
01:13:28,529 --> 01:13:26,800
this thing which is vast and there's

1541
01:13:30,689 --> 01:13:28,539
going to be some back-and-forth about

1542
01:13:34,739 --> 01:13:30,699
what we should be told right away I

1543
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:34,749
could see a truth aid conference concert

1544
01:13:39,870 --> 01:13:37,690
a major one post disclosed are

1545
01:13:42,209 --> 01:13:39,880
absolutely huge could be global with

1546
01:13:44,580 --> 01:13:42,219
multiple events where the people use

1547
01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:44,590
that venue it's a powerful venue to

1548
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:46,360
express to the government's find now

1549
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:48,550
that even better the ETS are here we

1550
01:13:54,089 --> 01:13:50,590
want to know the story we want to know

1551
01:13:56,399 --> 01:13:54,099
everything possible short of really

1552
01:13:58,739 --> 01:13:56,409
truly dangerous national security

1553
01:14:01,259 --> 01:13:58,749
revelations we do not want you to play

1554
01:14:04,069 --> 01:14:01,269
any more games with this and I would be

1555
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,079
happy to sign on to that project sure I

1556
01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:06,880
think see that you will do it if it's

1557
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:08,289
close to home I would go to something

1558
01:14:11,279 --> 01:14:09,489
like that in a heartbeat

1559
01:14:15,299 --> 01:14:11,289
Michael you have anything for us in

1560
01:14:17,729 --> 01:14:15,309
summation well you know Steven I would

1561
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,739
definitely volunteer my time to help in

1562
01:14:22,799 --> 01:14:19,840
any way I could for something like too

1563
01:14:23,959 --> 01:14:22,809
late that would be awesome I mean it's I

1564
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:23,969
think you're right once

1565
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:26,340
what [\h__\h] you Kaku is coming on board

1566
01:14:30,859 --> 01:14:28,710
if you know mainstream science now is

1567
01:14:32,779 --> 01:14:30,869
taking a you know seriously look at this

1568
01:14:35,569 --> 01:14:32,789
this is probably something we need to

1569
01:14:38,540 --> 01:14:35,579
look at as a follow-up through this

1570
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:38,550
disclosure aid that we're gonna pull off

1571
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:40,710
here on Saturday and by the way I just

1572
01:14:47,779 --> 01:14:44,159
want to again reiterate that people that

1573
01:14:50,209 --> 01:14:47,789
want to support this kind of ET and UFO

1574
01:14:52,609 --> 01:14:50,219
disclosure need to go to organizations

1575
01:14:54,739 --> 01:14:52,619
like the paradigm research group the

1576
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,749
national UFO Reporting Center just go to

1577
01:14:58,009 --> 01:14:56,820
their websites and find out where you

1578
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,019
can send a check

1579
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:00,960
five bucks ten bucks and move on it'll

1580
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:04,260
get more fun move on of course

1581
01:15:10,759 --> 01:15:06,650
joylynn join or join some of them black

1582
01:15:14,029 --> 01:15:10,769
yeah sorry exactly get it get involved

1583
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:14,039
because this is probably one of the most

1584
01:15:17,959 --> 01:15:16,440
exciting times that anyone will be able

1585
01:15:20,839 --> 01:15:17,969
to look back on in their lives

1586
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:20,849
say that they were involved so that's

1587
01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:23,760
only my wish that we all keep this

1588
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:26,760
peaceful and we organized for disclosure

1589
01:15:32,509 --> 01:15:30,329
and now Michael are you hat you you had

1590
01:15:35,629 --> 01:15:32,519
mentioned that disclosure aid page on

1591
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:35,639
Facebook and also which YouTube channel

1592
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:36,780
are you going to be streaming all this

1593
01:15:46,879 --> 01:15:42,960
on well we'll be on UFO I team on

1594
01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:46,889
YouTube is well and UFO I team on

1595
01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:50,190
Facebook and disclosure aid on Facebook

1596
01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:54,059
okay do you have the links to that

1597
01:15:58,819 --> 01:15:56,760
because I can't immediately find I know

1598
01:16:01,689 --> 01:15:58,829
where your UFO i-team is but I'm looking

1599
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:01,699
for the disclosure a.m. page on Facebook

1600
01:16:07,149 --> 01:16:04,710
so can you pass that link along to me

1601
01:16:11,180 --> 01:16:07,159
and I will post that in the description

1602
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,190
okay great yeah yeah I can I can do that

1603
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:13,199
that's not a problem I just need to have

1604
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:15,630
because I can't find it I see a few

1605
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:18,150
different ones but yeah if you can get

1606
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me that that'd be great I'll stick that

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in the description for the video so

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again Michael W Hall and Steve Bassett

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thanks so much for a great show I had a

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lot of fun today it looks like we're

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dealing with some news and we've got

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some new good stuff on the horizon so we

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are definitely

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gonna continue to stay on top of all

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this and again both of you thanks so

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much for joining us today

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and we will follow up and let you know

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what happens so thanks again now both of

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you gentlemen great thanks so much thank

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you

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absolutely I have a great day and

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goodbye everybody

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we'll be back during the week with that

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Marion Rudnick scientists there

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scientist who talks rather openly about

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UFOs worked for NASA and we will be

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talking to him this week so we will see

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you that and to have some follow-up on

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this disclosure event coming up out in

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Nevada near area 51 next weekend so have